THE TOBIAS MATERIALS
The Divine Human Series: "SHOUD
Questions and Answers
Presented at the Crimson Circle
April 5, 2003
Tobias: And so it is, dear friends, that we continue with the
energy of this day. We continue with working with you to help you understand
how you can move to these different points of separation, these layers where
consciousness melds and shifts. You can bring in the wisdoms. You can celebrate
all of the experience that is contained there.
These are like the stars that are in your heavens. These are points of light…
what you call the stars. In a sense, all of the dimensions around you have star
points, points of separation, where different energetic attributes come together
at a crossroads. There is a gift for you, there for you to access while you
remain in the Now as a Divine Human.
Indeed, the stars are points of separation. Indeed, you can allow yourself
to meld with those energies on some night when you can see the stars clearly.
Meld with it. Bring that energy into your Now and feel it. It is a point of
separation from an occurrence that took place in your universe so very long
ago. The stars are symbols. The stars are points of separation of experiences
that took place while you were building the universe.
Each star, each planet, each galaxy, and solar system has its unique attributes.
They have contain specific information. Each star point is like a library of
wisdom. This is a good way to practice bringing a point of separation into your
consciousness, to feel it. Indeed, the stars are the history of your journey,
the history of everything that took place before you came to this Earth. Indeed,
this massive universe of yours is the new playground of the New Energy. We have
said before that there is not so much out there, other than potentials to be
built on and experienced.
And, one note here before we begin with our Question and Answer session. Dear
friends, we have talked to you today about the Divine Plan, what we prefer you
call the “whole plan,” the integrated plan between what you, the
human, need and desire, and what your soul, your spirit, is becoming and fulfilling.
The two can integrate together. It is the whole plan.
When you are having challenges or difficulties, stand back a moment, breathe
in, and ask, “What is the essence of the Divine Plan?” And, then
meld it together with your human plan and your human needs.
You will begin seeing a whole new picture. You will have a whole new understanding
of why things happen the way they do. You will understand that you are not a
victim of your Divine Plan. You simply did not understand where your soul level
was trying to go. Now, you the human and the Divine Human can be on this journey
together. It does not need to be separate.
There are Divine Plans, not only for individuals, but also for groups. There
is a Divine Plan of Shaumbra that you created. You can feel it if you allow
yourself. The Divine Plan is for a group of humans who have been searching…
a group of humans who have been trying to understand… to come to new consciousnesses…
to move together… to share together… to support each other…
and to bring an entire group energy out of Old into the New… into a melded,
There are Divine Plans in your workplace. Allow yourself to feel these –
a group of humans who have come together in an office… in a building…
or a company for a purpose… perhaps, not known anywhere in the boardroom…
but agreed upon at other levels by all of the humans participating.
There are Divine Plans for nations. There are Divine Plans for families.
In the New Energy that you are in, you can begin to sense, and to feel, and
to know the Divine Plan, and integrate it with the human. It gives you a whole
new perspective and understanding why certain things have happened in your life.
It is not God dictating the terms. It is not some celestial Order handing these
down. It is not some council of 300,000 angels that is making this happen.
It is your Divine Plan. It has been somewhat hidden from you up to now, somewhat
hidden so that you could go through a series of new understandings. Dear friends,
from this point forward always call in your Divine Plan to understand what is
happening in your life.
When you look at the scenario with the war that is taking place in the Mideast
right now, don’t just look at what is printed in the papers or portrayed
on the screens of your televisions. Go into the Divine Plan that is behind it.
You will have a whole new compassion and understanding of what is really taking
With that, we would be delighted to answer your questions.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 1: Dear Tobias, today I represent here a group of rather
strange, unusual people, so-called United Nations personnel, but the ones who
work in the field, and who have – whether they want to admit it or not
– chosen to spend the best years of their lives moving from one place
to the other, which is full of negativity, very heavy energies, dangerous, and
so on, and so on. Usually it is during the war, after the war, when we move
in. And, that group is very tired at this very moment. And, I believe that a
message from you would help them get some strength and move on, because they
know they have to. But, they want to know what's going on with their role in
the whole plan. Thank you.
TOBIAS: Indeed, we are delighted to have you in the direct energy and to represent
all of the others who you speak of. There are energy balancers and placeholders
all over the world. Now, this job of being a placeholder, sometimes also called
a peace-giver, is indeed very tiring because you and your group are assaulted
by both energies, not just one, but by all sides. You have come into this the
world at this time to be a balancer, a holder of energies, to keep a very delicate
This is so important right now with all of the events that are transpiring
from the change from Old Energy to New. It is not just about the war. But, it
is about holding the balance. You see, there are incredible, incredible energies
of Old that are trying to hang on. And, there are energies of New that are trying
to move forward. And, there are individuals, angels like yourself and the others
who you work with, who stand at the doorway between the Old and the New, trying
to help maintain a balance.
Your resumes and your business cards say that you are peacekeepers. But, indeed,
you are truly energy holders and balancers. It is one of the most difficult
and challenging jobs because you are being pulled in all directions; therefore,
you feel very, very tired. You have come into this type of work by agreement.
You have agreed that you will be moved from one place in the world to the next,
wherever your energy is needed.
Come to the understanding that the services that you perform are selfless.
They are done for all of humanity. They are done to keep one side or the other
from dominating. It is a very special type of assignment.
Understand also that you can relieve some of these tired feelings that you
have, these overwhelmed feelings, by simply letting the energies pass through
you. You tend to… all of you in your group tend to hang on to these energies
too much to try to affect them. You are affecting what is happening simply by
You are applauded from our side of the veil. And, you will see very soon, very
soon within these next few years… Cauldre asks us to define “soon”
because our definition and his are somewhat different. You will see in these
next couple of years that energy balancers, placeholders, are not as needed
as they were before. In other words, you have done your work and your job, and
you can move on to more creative work, perhaps within the same organization,
but something that is more creative, rather than the pressure type of situation
that you are in now.
For so long on Earth there have been energy placeholders and balancers. All
of you had spirit guides at one point. They were energy placeholders. They left
when it became appropriate for you to own your divinity. There are many elementals
and animals in the world that held energy for so very long. They were balancers
and placeholders. Many of them have chosen to leave now or to change their job.
Now, the humans, like you and those in your group… you will find that
you, in these next few years… you will not have to balance the energies
as much as you do right now. It is because the shifts that are occurring on
Earth right now, some of the events that will be transpiring in this your, well
into next year, will help move the consciousness of humanity forward.
So, you are indeed honored for this selfless work that you do. And, understand
that the change is coming so you can move to a different type of work.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 2: Tobias, death is such a challenging issue for us
as human angels. So many two-legged and four-legged souls are choosing to leave
the Earth Mother now. My beloved companion, Rascal, appears be approaching the
time for his transition. I do not want him to be in pain. But, I’m feeling
anxiety about knowing when to put him down. I know I will know when the time
is appropriate. But, is there ceremony, or such, that would be beneficial for
him and me? How can we best assist those making their transitions? And, in general,
do you have any comments on or suggestions for experiencing grief as our human
and non-human companions make their transitions?
TOBIAS: Indeed, we have spoken of this recently in terms of the humans and
the death experience. Humans have been a victim to death in the past. Shaumbra,
as you become more fully grounded in the New Energy, death will be a choice
for you. You will not be able to overcome death, at least in this lifetime.
It is part of a process that is still very deeply embedded and has a certain
amount of intelligence behind doing this.
But, instead of being subjected to death because of a disease that comes into
your body, or any of these other painful experiences, you will begin having
the choice of how you want to leave, and even when you want to leave. This happens
when you integrate with your Divine Plan. So, you will not be able to escape
the coming back Home, the dying. But, you will be able to define it and create
it much better yourself.
As far as the animals who are leaving, again, this refers back to the answer
we gave for the last question. There have been many placeholders of many different
types – human placeholders, those from the animal kingdom, even those
from the angelic realms. We want you to look at your pet – you who ask
the question – to feel your pet, and to understand that this dear loved
one has been a balancer and a placeholder for you.
This dear companion has been helping you to process through many energies.
This dear beloved pet of yours has also helped to transmute some of the imbalances
in your physical body. It has taken on some of the imbalances into its own body
in service to you. So, this dear companion is tired. It is ready to leave. It
has done its job. It wants you now to accept that you are God.
This pet can come back to you again, this time without the responsibility of
holding energy for you. This pet can come back very quickly. It will find its
way to you. You do not need to worry about that. It can come back to you very
quickly now without the burden and the contract. And, the two of you can have
much more fun together. This pet of yours will leave on its own. You will not
need to worry about putting it down. You will not need to take on that guilt.
This animal loves you far too much than to have to have you go through that
So, communicate with this dear pet. Talk to it on its divine level. Discuss
its Divine Plan. And, more than anything, release it. Let this dear friend of
yours go now. It has done its work. Let it go.
It is the same with humans in your life. Let them go. The most difficult thing
that we see here from our side is when you grieve over someone’s death.
Oh, we know, it is difficult to lose someone who you love. We know it is even
more difficult to have all those pent-up guilt feelings within you, and then
have them check out. It leaves you in a type of lurch where you have to work
But, dear friends, let go. Release them. Honor them. Find joy in the experience.
It truly is.
There has been such a misperception about death which has led to the rather
disgraceful way that humans have had to die. Let go of them, as we said before.
If there is a dear one who is about to cross over, we have been asked what to
say to them, how to treat them, what type of medications or other remedies to
The greatest thing you can ever do is to hold their hand. Bring them into your
loving, Now moment. Let them know the transition will be filled with joy and
love. There will be those of us on our side of the veil who are there to receive
them. And, let them know that you can release them now.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 3: I think you already answered all my questions, so
this is kind of strange to ask you a question. But, I’m going to whine
about my knees. (audience laughter) How can I get those well? They hurt. And,
I’m tired of it.
TOBIAS: Indeed, the human body has gone through so much, not just yours, but
for all of Shaumbra. And, there are still problems in the knees here because…
my dear, you were bold enough to get up and ask the question… so, we will
be bold enough to answer it. You are still not grounding yourself properly.
SHAUMBRA 3: I don’t know how to do that.
TOBIAS: To breathe in deeply, to stay in the Now moment, and, for you –
and you may debate with us – but for you, my dear, to choose life. You
are still debating whether to come or to go. We would love to have you back
here, but you are much more “needed” on Earth. That is no joke when
we say “knee”ded” on Earth. (Tobias pauses while audience
begins to laugh at his pun.)
SHAUMBRA 3: I’d like to make a bargain with you. If somehow you could
help me to heal my knees… and rejuvenate my body… and so I can have
a party every night… (audience laughter)… and I’m not allergic
to alcohol… I’ll stay. (more laughter)
TOBIAS: Then, we ask you to use the breathing, because it is so simple and
can be done any time, and to breathe all the way in through your knees, down
to your feet, to open back up the circulation. There are closed energetic areas
here. If you are having difficulty in knowing how to breathe in down through
your knees, into your feet, into the Earth, there are experts in this very room
who would be more than happy to help you with this.
But, there is an interesting process here, too. By being bold enough to get
up and acknowledge this, in a sense, you are bold enough to say you are truly
ready to release it and move on. So, now start releasing all of the pent-up
energies that are in that area.
It is very simple, very symbolic. You are not allowing life to come all the
way down to ground you and to re-energize you. We are not dispensing medical
advice here of any kind. But, we simply say to do this, and you will find great
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 4: Tobias, I am filled with a rage and hurt like never
before in my life. I want to take my light and go Home. And, I’m a mental
health worker, so I know that my feelings and thoughts are moderately severe,
although I’m choosing not to act on it. Lately, it seems to me that wherever
I turn to make effort to make some part of my life better, my efforts do not
work out or pay off. The larger mirror is what’s happening in the world.
And, yes, I’m probably maddest at Spirit. As I’m Spirit too, I’m
also mad at myself. I’m sure that I’ve put myself in numerous Catch-22’s,
but it doesn’t make me feel any better to know that I’m probably
the cause of my own problems. (audience laughter) If I failed so completely
to create a life that nurtures and feeds me, and if my brothers on this Earth
are so committed to creating misery and war forever more, then I’m not
sure I want to play this game any more.
I’ve been thinking about how being so suicidal changes my choices, ironically.
Or, maybe that’s the whole reason I am going through this hell –
you know, the “if only I had only 30 days to live, would you do it differently
exercise.” I almost bought a ridiculously expensive couch today just because
it made me happy to look at its clever design and beautiful color. Clearly,
if I’m considering not being here, there’s no point to saving my
savings. (audience laughter) Or, maybe I spend them on taking a year off of
work… kind of opens up the possibilities, huh?
Tobias, can you help me get past my internal power struggle to free myself?
And, be as concrete and specific as possible, please! (more laughter) I’m
way past general platitudes doing any good. (more laughter) With love and some
TOBIAS: Indeed, and in honor and respect to your question, yes, we can be concrete
and direct in our answer. The answer is, “No, there is nothing we can
do.” (some laughter) But, we love you for your journey. The answer is
also that you are going through a very intense process. You are creating a type
of energy through your anger and frustration that will be available to use by
yourself to propel you to what you think is your next level… and, see
what you think is your next level and where you think you should be is truly
nowhere at all where you are really going. (audience laughter at Tobias’
You could say that so much of the Shoud today was for you. So much of it was
energetically for you. It is time to release your expectations. It is time to
connect with your Divine Plan. You’ll have a great understanding of the
type of joy that is available to you.
You have very predetermined notions of the way things should be. And, you have,
in a sense, boxed yourself in. And, you don't know how to get out. The lifesaver
here for you, the assistance for you, is your own divinity and your own plan.
But, you have not trusted yourself enough to look at it, to allow it to come
into your life. You are angry with yourself. You are looking for help on the
outside. Even if we tried to give you some specific help to try to come and
bail you out, it would still not satisfy what is going on deep within you. And,
more than anything, you would even be madder at us if we did!
We ask you to review everything in today’s Shoud, to understand what
we speak of when we say that you have a whole plan, a Divine Plan for yourself.
Also, release all of your expectations. In a sense, allow yourself to die while
you are still living as a human. Let all of your Old expectations, your old
karma, your Old ways go.
Start clean and fresh. It might be good – hint, hint – for you
to even move from where you are currently residing to give yourself a real fresh
start. We think you will understand what we mean by that. We thank you for your
question. And, the aggravation and frustration you are feeling will come back
to serve you when you choose it.
QUESTION FROM SHAUBRA 5: Dear Tobias, some of us are really, really, really
ready to move on from Old energy institutions and work, and feel like we’ve
been there a long, long time. And, my question is… has to do with this
feeling that we’re on a pause or some kind of an in-breath right now on
the planet. And, yet there is this desire to be passionate, and creative, and
really moving forward in a vision. And, I’m wondering what’s the
next step? What do we do in the meantime?
TOBIAS: It is time for you and for all of the others who have these feelings
to begin moving forward. It is also up to each one of you, and perhaps all of
you collectively, to create the opportunities for this. There are many Old institutions
on Earth which are still appropriate for people who are in the Old Energy.
But, we find that Shaumbra is very frustrated in these… whether it is
hospitals… whether it is mental health clinics… whether it is conventional
schools… or any of these other places. You are becoming more and more
frustrated with the confines of these old institutions.
Dear friends, there was a dream that was turned into somewhat of a reality
on an inter-dimensional basis, and is ready to become a reality in one form
or the other on planet Earth. Cauldre has defined it as Shaumbra University.
It does not have to be one place. In a sense, it does not have to be any physical
place. It can be everywhere. It is the start of encouraging all of you to begin
the new work, to begin the new institutions with the support that you have from
each other – the emotional, the financial support, and all of the support
Begin to write these curriculums. Take the risks, and put these programs out.
You will be amazed at how many people start coming to you. But, it cannot be
done, dear friends, unless you make that choice to begin.
You can have this painting of Shaumbra University come to each one of your
meetings. And, you can look at it, and say, “That would be nice some day.”
Or, you can make it happen now. You can begin creating, whether it is the building,
whether it is a type of virtual connection with each other, to make it happen.
I cannot emphasize enough that the world will desperately need what each one
of you has to offer. That is why you are here on the planet now. You went through
the challenges first and moved into the New Energy so you could develop these
new programs, whether they are for the physical, the mental, the spiritual,
whether they are for individuals or groups. It is time, dear friends.
We refer to the books being written. And, that is a metaphor. That is a way
of saying that it is not just books, but it is classes. It is new ways of approaching
business and money management. Right now money management is very Old Energy.
And, it moves too slowly, and it favors too few.
There are new ways. It is not for I, Tobias, or any of the other angels to
create these. It is up to you to do that. That is why you are on Earth now.
So, dear friends, dear Shaumbra, solidify this. Shaumbra University exists
on the inter-dimensional levels. Are you bold and daring enough to bring it
to Earth? We thank you for your question and for our opportunity to pontificate.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 6: Tobias, as a Lightworker, born as a Muslim in Iran,
please tell me what is the best way to talk about Tobias and Mohammed’s
teachings for my people and helping them in an appropriate way because, you
know, these days the religion is a very sensitive issue in Iran, and the people
are scared of their shadows.
TOBIAS: Indeed, we honor you and thank you for this question. We ask to pause
here for a moment. Let us bring all of Shaumbra to a point of separation where
Old consciousness moves into the New. Bring the point of separation here, and
embrace you in our moment for the work you are doing. Some of those who are
Shaumbra… sometimes they think they have difficult duty. And, then we
hear from several today that have truly, truly hard duty.
So, in answer to your question, do not quote Tobias, Mohammed, Moses, Yeshua,
or any of the above. In the New Energy it is the words that come from your heart
through your mouth that count. That is how you will make a difference. The moment
you start quoting any other being, you are going out of your moment. You are
not being fully integrated in your truth.
You are, dear friends, when you quote me, when you quote Tobias… in a
sense, you are afraid to speak the words yourself. So, you hide behind me. And,
then if they don't like what is said, you say, “Well, I don't always agree
with Tobias.” (audience laughter)
So, speak your own words from your own heart. We will be standing right beside
you. We will be there in support and love. But, that is how you talk in the
New Energy. We deeply thank you for your question.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 7: I work with an organization called Hydrogen Now that
is attempting to help the Earth convert from fossil fuels to renewable energy
and hydrogen. (audience applause) Do you have any suggestions on how…
what targets our organization should set, and how we should move ahead?
TOBIAS: Indeed. And, we acknowledge and applaud you for the work that you and
you group are doing. Hydrogen is one of the most available physical energies
on Earth right now. It is simply a matter of working with these to unlock the
potential. It is safe. It is abundant. And, it is even more powerful than what
the researchers understand right now.
The work that your group is doing is making a difference. And, what we would
suggest here is that there is a need for more papers to be written, describing
your activities, for more visibility on the part of your organization. Even
just speaking here now where thousands of Shaumbra across the world can hear
this… this will bring up the awareness and the consciousness.
There are many different types of energies that can be used for sustaining
human activities and human life. We see that hydrogen has the greatest potential
in the short run. After a certain point of time you will begin to understand
cosmic energies then that can be brought in. But, in the short run for Earth,
this hydrogen energy is so important.
You could say that researchers have been looking too deep for solutions and
how to use this. The answer is quite obvious. We would – how to say –
it is difficult to get scientific information through Cauldre at times. (audience
laughter) But, we know how to bypass his limitations. (more laughter) And, he
understands what we are saying.
We would be delighted to answer questions related to this if we gather with
you one-on-one, or these are put in writing. But, there are some things that
are being overlooked at this time. And, indeed Cauldre does understand that
there are times we cannot accurately describe information; therefore, we must
come in a different way to describe.
QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 8: Tobias, like here (in Colorado), we live in a very
pristine place. And, we enjoy the air. And, we know about the practice of deep
breathing, and so on. And, we walk outside. And, we look up in the sky, and
we see the things that are falling out of the sky that people call “chemtrails”
and potentially poison things. And, our friends get worried about it. How can
we address this, because it seems like, even if we’re standing behind
the short wall, they’re still getting to us. You can’t get away
with it when you are taking deep breaths. So, can you help us to address this,
not only with ourselves, but with others?
TOBIAS: We will, and we may not be terribly popular. Dear friends, if you are
involved in any conspiracy theory, you are denying that you are God also. If
you are involved in any conspiracy theory, you are really avoiding the inevitable
and the most difficult. And that is looking within yourself, going through your
own awakening process.
We see these various conspiracy theories, some of which have a degree of truth
in them. They are created… and they expand… and they are dramatic
and emotional… and they captivate the attention of people, simply as a
diversion… a diversion so that you don't have to look within.
There is very little truth in what you call these “chemtrails.”
There is very little truth in what has been called the “Illuminati.”
There is a lot of truth in humans blowing these out of proportion, going very
dramatic, so they don't have to do the real work.
We encourage you to look up in the skies at the airplanes going by, and breathe
in as deep as you can, and understand there are no deliberate poisons that are
put in here to try to kill humanity. There are much easier ways to kill humanity.
A nuclear bomb would solve it pretty quick. So, dear friends, do not get distracted
by these conspiracies.
Yes, there are some elements in these chemical trails as a result of fuels
that are not efficiently burned. Hopefully, one day they will be using hydrogen.
There are some unburned fuels in here that may be toxic.
But, there is not an overall deliberate plan by either a known or a secret
government to take over the world by dropping chemicals on the population. There
IS a deliberate plan by individuals to perpetuate this drama and this conspiracy
to feed their damn egos! (audience applause) So, dear friends, they watch how
all the sheep follow them and do anything they say. Cauldre thinks he might
have to run out the back door when we’re done. (audience laughter) Dear
friends, you come here, asking for truth. And, we will give it back to you as
The problem is the DRAMA surrounding all this and keeping you from the true
work that is at hand.
So, dear friends, we have talked about much today. We have talked about your
Divine Plan. We have talked about how you can begin to understand, and travel
on an inter-dimensional basis, bring it all back to your Now moment. We have
talked about your journey and about how Hossaf now comes into work with you
in this next step.
There is much for you to absorb and digest here. We simply remind you not to
go intellectual. Feel your way through now. Feel your way through. What is appropriate
will come back up to the mind. And, you will have good understanding.
We will be working with you closely in these next weeks. There might be some
rather surprising and interesting things that happen on your global level, partly
as a result of this war, partly as some New Energies coming in. Do not be surprised.
Do not go into drama. Understand that it is appropriate. Have compassion for
what is happening in the Old world and keep your balance in the New Energy.
You are never alone, dear friends.
And so it is!
Tobias of the Crimson Council is presented by Geoffrey Hoppe, aka “Cauldre,”
Golden, Colorado. The story of Tobias, from the biblical Book of Tobit, can be
found on the Crimson Circle web site at www.crimsoncircle.com. The Tobias Materials
have been offered free of charge to lightworkers and Shaumbra around the world
since August 1999, the time when Tobias said humanity moved past the potential
of destruction and into the New Energy.
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and the others of the celestial Crimson Council are actually channeling the
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the unique and precious human who is about to embark on the journey of the Bridge
of Swords comes to you.
If you are reading this and feel a sense of truth and connection, you are
indeed Shaumbra. You are a teacher and a human guide. Allow the seed of divinity
to blossom within you in this moment and for all times to come. You are never
alone, for there is family around the world and angels in the realms around
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