The Embodiment Series:
SHOUD 3: "Embodying Changes"

Presented to the Crimson Circle
October 2, 2004

ENTITY: Namaste. (Pause.) Namaste (louder).

SHAUMBRA: Namaste.

ENTITY: Namaste.

SHAUMBRA: Namaste.

It is an honor and a delight for I, Kuthumi, to be here in Tobias’s big chair (audience laughter). Indeed, you have asked about us coming in and talking about changes. So, we change who talks to you about changes (more laughter).

Tobias is actually tied up in traffic right now (more laughter). This heavenly highway gets very clogged up on these days when you have these gatherings. So, I am feeling very good today to be here.

And I would invite you to feel the energy difference. We know that Cauldre is panicking a bit here, not having Mr. Tobias to hang onto. But we have much to share with you. And we did want to change things a bit. And it is so good for Kuthumi to be here.

I smell you (more laughter). I smell you, your energies. And you can do this, too. Yes, you can smell energies. It is the easiest way to feel all of that within you. So, I invite you to smell energies right now, to breathe it in through your nose. Yes, breathe in, and then blow it out (Kuthumi demonstrating). Now, smell Kuthumi. Breathe me in and blow it out.

And now smell yourself. Indeed, you can – not like that (more laughter as some in the audience move as though to physically smell themselves) – smell you, who you are, for you have an energy essence. Yes, smell. Take that deep breath, and then blow it out.

Now, smell all of that changing energy inside you. Breathe it in through your nose. Smell it. And then blow it out. No, really blow it out (Kuthumi demonstrating here). Smell yourself again and really blow it out (more demonstrating).

This is fun (more audience laughter).

And there are so many changing energies inside you that are trapped and locked up. And they become like festering garbage. And they don’t always smell so good. So, smell again, and then blow out. That is wonderful. Good blowing job there, Shaumbra! (more laughter) You do well.

Yes, we are going to have a bit of fun today, not this old, labored energy that you’re used to. Yes, Tobias, he might wonder what he has done after this is over with.

Oh, Shaumbra, it is good to be back. It is good to be in this space with you. And it is good for this different type of energy. It is good for YOU to see and to feel something different coming from here. You know, I have been working with so many of you in different ways. But now to be right here in your energy without all of the other energies hanging on, it is you and I speaking directly.

And we have so much work to do. And it is exciting because it is a blend of physics. It is a blend of spiritual. It is a blend of your mind and your body. And these are things that in my lifetime as Kuthumi that I studied. But I couldn't get so far with these things. The world wasn't ready. It was like talking to a brick wall at times. But now I can come here, and we can talk about these things that might seem crazy, these things that might seem different, and these things that might be directly opposed to what you have learned in some of your science books. But we can talk about these things.

And today we talk about grand and magnificent changes that are taking place on Earth. Never in the history of this Earth have changes been taking place so fast. Yes, these ch-ch-changes are going very, very fast. I would like to sing right now, but Cauldre will not let me (much audience laughter regarding the reference to a David Bowie song called “Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes” and to Cauldre’s reticence to sing in public).

Oh, Shaumbra, sometimes you think that everything has to be so serious. And you think that we are serious. Sometimes we do have our moments, but we try to keep it on the lighter side. We have an understanding that things don't have to be heavy and burdened, that we can be a bit silly. We can have laughter and that this whole process that you are going through is actually a joyful process.

We will talk about that before our time today is finished. But it is good to laugh. It moves energy. It makes you look at yourself in a different type of way. It is very good to just let it all be, to just let ourselves relax.

Now, there are many out there who think of this Kuthumi as being – how to say – very scholarly, very serious. But that was not at all the way I was. I never took life that serious. I had fun with my life. I traveled. I went all over. I talked to many people. I had great joy. Kuthumi, that I was known as, was no lord, was no prophet; simply a human who had an incredible thirst and hunger to understand life and energies.

So, it is a blessing today to be here with you, to be onstage, to feel all of your energies, and to smell them. And we are going to have some fun today.

But underneath it all, I want you to look at all of the dynamics that are happening. I want you to look at the changes that you are going through and why they are there. Stop trying so hard to make difficult sense out of them. It doesn't have to be that way for any of you.

It has not been so long ago that I was in human form, that I was on the Earth, so I do understand where you are. But I am here today to impress upon you the importance of embodying these changes in a delightful and light way.

This past month or so of time has been difficult on so many of you. And yes, energies are changing. And for the next several years, September will be a time of changes within yourself and the world all around you. This energetic cycle was set up several years ago, as you know. It was set up and will continue cycling and evolving during the month of September. You will undergo many, many changes in your life. Changes do not have to be difficult. Changes can be great, great fun. You can have much joy with them.

Let us take a look now at embodying changes within yourself. Let us take a look at the physics here of how changes occur. Changes are natural. As long as there is any energy and any type of entity – or what you would call a soul – to correspond to that energy, there will be changes. It is the nature of Spirit and the God that you are to have continual evolution, expansion, and new expression of energy. This means to say here that there will always be changes.

Humankind has gotten into a type of rut. They don't like changes because they worry about the outcome. They worry about – not so much what they know – but what they don't know. Some humans are very comfortable in their own misery and their pain and their sorrow because at least they understand it. At least they know the parameters. Or, as many of you would say, they know the battlefield. So, they stay in this place. And when change – which is natural – comes about, they resist it. They resist it.

In the Old Energy when changes would come into your life, there was a whole set of circumstances that were set up that would occur to respond to those changes. The body, for instance, feels the energy of change coming about. It will try at some level to battle or to stop the change. It does not know how to handle this evolving energy. The mind definitely probes and ponders the changes. It will do everything to try to stop it. It is a way of protecting the Self, but also because it is not comfortable with the changing energy. So, there is a dynamic that is set up to, in a sense, put up a wall, or to battle the changes, to stop the changes from occurring.

And now we have resistance. Yes, there is resistance. There is a type of friction that occurs in duality, everything resisting the changes or at least trying to protect its own identity, its own story, you see. This is a wonderful thing. It is a natural thing. It has been set up by all of you over quite some period of time. It is a type of forced resistance.

And it takes its toll eventually on the body and the mind. You can feel it. You know what it has been like in the last month or so of your time in particular. You know how the body drains quickly. It tires quickly during time of change. Even the Earth changes and the lunar changes and solar, these affect your body. There is a natural resistance to them.

Humans tend to get into a type of rut, a type of comfort zone. And it is very difficult at times for the energy to continue its natural cycle. When the energies are very blocked, when there is great resistance to change, they back up in your system, in your physical system. And you see the results in everything from aches and pains to diseases, to all types of other things. It also backs up in the mind. And you find yourself being lost or confused or disoriented.

So, this is part of the process right now that you are feeling more than ever. It is a call from a part of you to take a look at the nature of changing energies, to take a look at the difference of handling changes in Old Energy versus embodying the changes in the New Energy.

Now, we want to talk to you about one very interesting aspect. The body is the vehicle that gets you around in this reality that you exist in. The mind is the vehicle that stores data. It has remembrances, has a memory bank, and also, it has been granted the gift of making judgment.

So often you think that it is the mind that is blocking you, the mind that is resisting. You associate ego with the mind. And you think the mind is somehow trying to stop you. And you battle your mind. You go back and forth. I watch you. I hear you doing these things in your mind.

But we want to share something with you about this resistance to change. It is the spirit that is resisting, Shaumbra. It is the spirit. Now, we have to look at the definition of spirit here, for human terminology does not always accurately depict these things. The spirit is the energy part of you that connects with what we call “The Field,” the energy source of All That Is. Right now your spirit, your energy, is connecting with The Field in a way it knows how. You can almost see it, almost like highways, like roadways, or like threads, or whatever you want to call them, connecting to The Field, the source of infinite, infinite energy, the source of All That Is outside of Home. Your spirit is connecting to that. And it feels very comfortable.

Now, we have to back up for a moment and say that there is a difference – at least from our perspective – of the spirit energy of you and of the soul energy. Your soul is the collective of everything that you have ever done and been and thought. It is ALL of your experiences. That is your soul. But your spirit is the life force energy within you. The spirit is actually the one resisting all of these changes.

I studied this. I studied this in my lifetime. And I was shocked at my own findings. I was shocked at what the others – the other entities who I worked with – told me. And it took me many, many years of practical experience to discover this is true. It is not the mind that truly resists. It is simply trying to protect, trying to hold on to what the spirit is feeling. It is not the body that resists. The body is a beautiful vehicle, a beautiful creation that simply responds, the body responds. The body has all of the capabilities to heal, and to rebalance, and to rejuvenate when it is called on to do that.

But the spirit resists. Why would that be, Shaumbra? Why would the spirit resist? It is because it is used to connecting and corresponding to The Field, to this infinite energy source, in a certain way. It is comfortable in that. It has established a connection with The Field in a very certain way. It is not sure what will happen when it changes that connection.

The spirit energy, you could say, is energy that has felt traumatized. The spirit energy of you is an energy that has gone through many, many difficulties. It has its own type of identity, its own resonance, or perhaps you would call it vibration. It is, in a sense, like a child. In another sense, it is like a jackass (some laughter). It is very stubborn – very, very stubborn – very inflexible at times.

So, we want you to stop blaming it on your mind. We want you to talk to your spirit, to talk to the essence, to talk to the energies. Your mind is actually very, very smart.

Yes, it is good, by the way, to say things like you are smart, that you are in balance, even that you are a bit sexy. (audience laughter) Humans have developed this negative attitude about this whole thing of speaking of themselves. Many humans think that they have to degrade themselves, that they have to speak poorly of themselves.

Try it in the next few days. But do it with yourself first. Speak well of yourself. Speak well of yourself, and your body will hear this, and your mind, indeed, and even your spirit. You are thinking even now that you could not go out in public and boast – people would throw stones at you. But you will realize that when you are in a different energy space, they will actually admire you. They will admire that you can speak well of yourself. Imagine a human who is in such a safe and balanced place that they can say, “I am wise; I am indeed.”

I, Kuthumi, am indeed! (more laughter) I know this. I am very wise, yes, and kind of good-looking, too (more laughter). But I use this as an example to help teach you. It is good to speak well of yourself. It will resonate throughout your entire being.

But let us go back here to the spirit. This energy that is within you connecting to a source, pulling energy from The Field, or the source into your reality – like we said – it is a bit inflexible. It has been a bit traumatized. It is not so sure of itself anymore.

So, who saves the spirit? What comes in and assures the spirit? Why, you do. You do, because you are the collective of your body and your mind and your spirit and your divinity and your soul – YOU. You thought you were just a human, sitting here. Silly you. Silly, silly you! I will make a song – “Silly, Silly Human.” (audience laughter)

You keep thinking that it is going to come from somewhere else, waiting for something else to come in. You thought – silly you – that your spirit or your divinity was going to come in and handle all of this. Oh, no. Oh, no. It is you – right here, right now – you, me, the rest. It is you that can do this.

Yes, we’ll do it right now. You know what you have to do – you have to breathe (Kuthumi taking a deep breath) and blow (Kuthumi demonstrating). Thank you. “Oh, all those germs floating around,” you think (more laughter), “oh, all over this room! Oh, oh, hide from the germs!” Silly you. Silly, silly you! The germs will not hurt you. The germs will not hurt you. Breathe them in (Kuthumi demonstrating again). Breathe in germs. Whew! Blow them out. They don’t hurt you, no, no, no.

Oh, Cauldre, it could be worse. Ohamah could be here! (much more laughter) Much worse! (much more laughter)

I have to tell you that I want you to feel my energy for a moment here. Guess what movie I was in – two, two I channeled, I brought my energy in. It was the movie “Star Wars.” Yes. Guess who I played. C3PO! (much more laughter at Kuthumi’s reference to one of the robots in the movie, the robot programmed for protocol, a worrier throughout the entire movie) I did. I did. That was me. Through the writer, through the voices, I brought in C3PO. Recognize me? It was so much fun!

Let us talk now about these germs, I meant to say. The germs cannot hurt you. The germs are just energy. And when they hit you in the appropriate way, if you allow them to be changed, they will be transmuted into pure energy, pure energy – not germ energy – that’s all they are.

But now let's talk about you and your spirit and how to assure your spirit that it is okay, that it can find its new balance, and its new safe energy space in The Field. Now, again The Field is the source of energy that is in a neutral place. It is far beneath what you would call the subatomic level. It is at the space between the space, if you know what I mean.

It is sitting there dormant. That is why they can't see it. It is, in a sense, invisible. It is waiting to be activated, waiting to be tapped into. Then it goes through a whole process – the energy from The Field – following the line back to you. It comes in as spirit energy, and then turned into a type of what you would call a light energy, and then it is turned into electrical energy, and then it is brought into your reality.

It is a marvelous process. It is happening in your body right now, this whole process, this whole process of spirit energy from The Field into light energy. The light energy is all over your body. It is in every cell. It is communicating with every other cell. It is communicating with your mind, with your biology, and with your spirit. In any given moment, any fraction of the second, there are millions and millions of individual communications taking place within your being, within your body. Again, it emanates from The Field and comes into this reality.

Oh, but your spirit has been a bit reluctant to find a new way to handle all of this. And that causes the backup in your mind and your body and everything else. And that is why I have been asked to come in and speak today. That is why I am going to ask you now, dear Shaumbra – you, you, you – to let all of yourself, let your spirit know it is okay.

You always thought your spirit had to let you know it's okay. But you – the embodiment of all of you – can tell your spirit it's okay. It is safe. It is what you choose. It is what you choose. You choose to go through these changes in a very graceful way, in a loving way, in a fun way, in a way that does not have to be so difficult or challenging, in a way that doesn't have to break you down anymore to build you back up. You know what that's like – being ripped apart, being scattered all over, being broken into pieces – just so that you can create the opening for the whole new wave of field energy to come in.

We can do it right now. You have to trust you. You keep wondering, “But who am I? What part of me?” It is the part that I am talking to right now – not some grand angel off somewhere else, not just your mind, not just your body – but you. We can do that. Let us do that right now. “Spirit, me out there, in here, spirit, I choose this. I choose to embody the New Energy. I choose to have these changes graceful. Spirit, I choose to connect with The Field and All That Is, the universe, the grid, the lattice, whatever you want to call it. I choose to connect in a new way, an open way.”

Isn’t it funny that it was the spirit holding out, that it was the spirit perhaps protecting you, or you protecting it? Does it matter? Isn’t it funny that all this time you were blaming that mind of yours, beating yourself up, wondering, wondering, wondering where all of this was going to come from?

It is you right now. Yes, you are at the steering wheel. You are at the controls. You are the ones making the choices and the decisions. You. Don’t break yourself into all these parts. You get all disoriented. It is just you in this moment. It is a very, very simple, as Tobias would say.

Now, I want you to remember this simple thing that we just did. Simple. You.

Atlantis, I was there with you. We were all together. It was a very interesting times, very loving times. Oh, Shaumbra, we thought we were creating the new world back then. And we did, in a way. We thought that we had uncovered all of the mysteries of how energies work. And we did in some ways. We thought we had created Utopia, the perfect way to live. And oh, we did.

In Tien we were all together. In Tien we learned so much about ourselves. We learned how to shape-shift. We learned how to move energies. It was a time when spirit – your spirit, my spirit – did dance gracefully. It wasn’t afraid to be flexible. It wasn't afraid to find new ways, interesting and bold ways, to tie into The Field.

Atlantis caused so much pain in our soul, you see. Pain in the soul. Breathe in that pain that is in your soul, the remembrances of the past. Breathe it in. And then blow it out (Kuthumi demonstrating). Let all of that old stuck energy go. Release it. Let it go. Let it go. It is stuck in there.

And Atlantis is rising right now. You can see it in your physical world – the Earth changes and the hurricanes and even the potentials of earthquakes that could have been much worse. And this one that might blow soon, yes, it is rising right now (referring to changes in the volcano called Mt. St. Helens in Washington state in the U.S.). It is rising from within you. It wants to be released from the energy that holds it in. It wants to be released from its story.

This is one of the most difficult things that we talk about with Shaumbra – is Atlantis – because those times were difficult, yes, indeed for the ones who have been connecting lately. When we were there in Tien, there was a separation of Shaumbra energy. There were disagreements within family. And it was so upsetting for all of us because we felt that we would always be in a place of unity and harmony.

And we had those who opposed revealing ourselves to humanity at the time. We had those who wanted to stay hidden. We had others who felt that we must make ourselves visible to the rest of the world in order to prevent more catastrophe, more abuse, more torture.

We had others that were with us that wanted to go to battle, literally to take the energy mechanisms that we had used – what you would now call perhaps witchcraft, or black magic – and use that against some of the forces who sought to control Atlantis. There were many fights within our family at the time. Is it no wonder that some of the disagreements would come back now, some of the angry energies would make themselves known once again?

These Old Energies of Atlantis want to be released. These Old Energies want to be released so they can change. But you have this whole thing going on with you now – changes on the outside, Atlantean energies coming up wanting to be changed, everything calling on you – demanding your attention, demanding your energy. That is why it is so confusing right now. But it doesn't have to be, Shaumbra.

The Atlantean energies, they feel very warrior-like when they come up, when they come through. They feel very victimized, in another sense. They feel that – how to say – a lost, hopeless feeling at times, too, because we had so much hope. We had such dreams. We had learned so much about inter-dimensional energy.

And then it was put down, and, worse than that, not just put down, but tortured, fragmented, separated, broken up, scattered across the universe, scattered literally in the lands of this Earth. And these energies continue to come up for a period of time. And it will take several years of time for them to completely flow through. Understand where this is coming from. And don't try to deny it. But don't let yourself be victimized by it either. These energies want to come out.

There is a part of you that is so structured and bottled up and hurts – hurts, yes – from this time of Atlantis. It comes out because it wants change also. And it wants to know that YOU – you, you who are sitting here, listening here – are going to allow this to happen. Yes, so much of your spirit is tied up in those energies. So much of your soul is tied up in your energies. And they’re all looking to you to allow the change and the release to take place, yes.

Now, it is very interesting right now that your world is going through an energy crisis. Very interesting that literally there are short supplies of fuel, of old fossil fuel pulled up from the ground. This all ties in together, all of what I speak of today. It is interesting to note that – now we don’t you to get into a conspiracy thing – but we have to say that there is less supply of fuels than most leaders are willing to admit, because they are afraid if they admitted this, that there would be panic. And there probably would be.

It is interesting that with elections happening now in this country that you’re in, that there is so much focus on other things, all away from the true issues, the true issues. There are battles being fought over energies, over the small supplies that are still left. We are not talking about anything in your lifetime that will totally dry up. But it will get more and more difficult. And for the next few generations to come, perhaps they won't have anywhere near the abundance of Old Energy that you had, you see. The Earth is going through an energy crisis – literally, not enough Old Energy to go around (some laughter and Kuthumi chuckling).

So, Shaumbra, it is about bringing in the New Energy – isn't it? – literally on your Earth right now bringing in new types of fuel sources that don't come from the ground, but that come from the inter-dimensional energies that are neutral. But the scientists can’t see it yet because it is neutral. They are looking for something that is dynamic, that has what you would call duality characteristics to it – a positive and a minus, an opposing force. That is what they are looking for.

But perhaps some wise one soon will discover the phenomenal amount of limitless energy that can be tapped into at the other levels and brought back to this reality, brought into a material reality. You see, it is possible. Perhaps, you won’t even call it a discovery when it happens because it is already happening.

You are doing it as we speak right now, you see. Your spirit is connecting with The Field, bringing back energy into your Now. Your spirit is doing it in a bit of an Old Energy way, yes. We are here correcting that with you today. We are helping to have it connect in a New Energy way.

So, the scientists who hopefully soon will discover this untapped energy potential at the subatomic inter-dimensional levels, the true discovery or invention will be how to bring it back to material application in your 3-D world. It is there. How do you get it here? Ah, yes, some very interesting physics that I'm highly involved in. And it has to do with not just the physical apparatus of bringing it into this reality. It has to do with the perception of inter-dimensional separation, you see. We have to get over this whole thing that there is a separation, that this other energy exists out there, and that you are here.

So, I'm doing much work now that I'm not in the movies (some laughter). I’m doing much work to help with some of the scientists to understand and to see. It is difficult at times because I have to work around the closure that many scientists have, many of the even physicists, many of the thinkers. Thinkers are stinkers in my book (more laughter). It is difficult to work with them because they are so closed off, and they are so righteous about what they think. They think everyone else should think like they think. Difficult. We have our work cut out for us here. So, Shaumbra, there is an energy crisis literally, and there is an energy crisis figuratively.

That is another thing that you have been going through – your own energy crisis within your being. Have you noticed how your body is so different – the way it tires easier, the way it responds to you different, the changes that it is going through? It is still trying to use Old Energy. And it knows that it is time to use the New. Your mind even is using Old Energy from the source, an Old Energy way of bringing it in. And it knows better.

Don’t you know that you want something different? Don't you desire deeply something different? Don't you desire it to be easier, more graceful, more fun, more fulfilling? Don’t you desire the abundance, the relationships and all these other things? We are not holding back. Your spirit is, yes. We know this will cause many, many discussions, many pontifications and speculations about what is really happening here. We will clear all of those up next month.

So, there is another thing I wanted to add to all of this. And these all do tie together. Take a look at how all of this – the energy crisis, the Atlantean rising energy, the whole thing, the changes that you are going through – these are all tied together. They are all interwoven.

I want to ask you something here. I want to ask you something. If you knew that everything was going to work out okay, wouldn’t you be different right now? It is a question that I asked myself in my lifetime. Then I thought to myself, “If I knew everything was going to work out, and I would be okay, and life would be good, and I would be good, what would I do different?” I would stop worrying. I would stop fretting. I would stop tearing myself apart. I would enjoy every moment.

Shaumbra, can you project yourself out three years from now? Everything has worked out. You are still here, listening to us chatter (some laughter). You still have plenty of food. You still have a wonderful place to live. You still have people who love you and care about you, even though you reject them sometimes. You have all of these. Everything has worked out. You have picked the potentials that everything works out. You have chosen those potentials amongst the millions and billions of potentials that exist for you right now. You have chosen the ones that allow for everything to work out.

So, wouldn’t you do things different if you knew it already worked out? You see, you see what I'm saying? You can stop worrying. Just pick the potential, and let it go to work for you.

Now, some of you say, “What if I pick the wrong potential? How do I know I’m picking the right potential? Perhaps, the potential I picked, maybe there is something negative inside of it, hidden away that I can’t see it. Oh, no, oh, no, what if I pick these things?” See that was me being C3PO in the movie (more laughter) – worry, worry, worry about everything!

So, but what if you pick the pure potential of a good life? You could stop worrying. Now, what happens? This is very interesting here. We are going to ask you to feel and to smell the energies. So, you pick the potential that three years from now everything will be okay. And you stop worrying right now while we are sitting here. You let everything just happen and fall into place.

Another dynamic kicks in at this point. Another dynamic comes to play. It is difficult to describe, but it is basically a literal quantum leap in energy because you are no longer worrying about what's going to happen. You no longer have to experience that. But the experience that you have right now can be even more expanded, can be even more fulfilling, and even more joyful. It is not only allowing yourself to relax and to enjoy, but now it is multiplied, or there is a quantum turnover in energy that makes it even more enjoyable and relaxing.

So, I ask you, as I asked myself in my previous lifetime, “Can I know that I picked the potentials correctly?” Oh, that is a big question! Can you trust yourself that much? Can you understand that you don't have to pick Old karmic-related potentials for what's going to happen to you in just a moment? Can you trust yourself and love yourself enough to pick a potential that would give you grand abundance, not just a little abundance, grant abundance?

Why would you pick just a little abundance? (some laughter) Do you think that there is not enough for everyone else? Pick a grand abundance as a potential. Choose that. Choose a healthy body. We know you already do, but it gets blocked up sometimes. And some of the things that go through you cause such hardship on your poor body.

So, you pick all these grand potentials. GRAND potentials, Shaumbra, not itty bitty potentials; GRAND potentials. Can you say: “I am smart, I pick grand potentials. Yes, I am balanced, I don’t need potentials that have all Old karma and stinky energy around them? And I'm quite good-looking, too,” you could say to yourself (more laughter). Yes, you can say this. You are picking all of these things. And it changes the moment that you live in.

So, we are not talking about going and manipulating the past or the future. It is simply what you select. You’re selecting potentials where everything is safe, everything is okay, everything is grand, everything is the way that a Creator would create them, a Creator who loves themself and honors themself as God also.

So, Tobias is on his way. The highway to heaven has been set free. He is going to come back in and answer your questions. But we did want to change today how we talked to you, how we energetically worked with you. And we know you dearly miss Tobias. But I’ve had the time of my life being here with you (more laughter).

So, now, Shaumbra, it is good to again smell, breathe in through the mouth, through the nose, and blow (Kuthumi again demonstrating). Get those energies moving. Breathe in and smell and blow. As our dear bus driver friend, Gary, would say, “And now you know.”